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Progressive Pact
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There are prominent people in the Greens and the Labour Party who would like to see a 'progressive pact'. I expect this would take the form of a pre-arranged deal to defeat the Tories, and without PR this is possibly the best way. It could even open the door to PR.

Back in the early 1990's I looked at the General Election results and combined the Green and Liberal vote together. Admittedly back then I think the Liberals were a slightly bigger political force and the Greens were on their way down from the highs of the 89 European Elections. However the combined figures were very impressive.

Today any 'progressive pact' is likely to bypass the Liberal Party and simply involve Labour, Lib-Dems, Greens, the SNP and possibly Plaid Cymru. Nevertheless there would have to make massive negotiations for this to happen, something I see as unlikely prior to 2020. But what would stop the Liberals working with candidates from other parties to build their own pact in local elections? I am sure there is common ground with some Green and Labour candidates and in Cornwall Mebyon Kernow.

It would be interesting to see how others feel, as it would not detract in any way from building the Liberal Party. In fact in these non-PR days additional dialogue and co-operation could see the party grow.
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This is something I think we should certainly consider. If effectively implemented it would probably result in a house with no overall majority which would be a good base to get proportional representation as the Greens and LibDems both support it.
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(10-12-2016, 07:06 PM)Stone de Croze Wrote: There are prominent people in the Greens and the Labour Party who would like to see a 'progressive pact'. I expect this would take the form of a pre-arranged deal to defeat the Tories, and without PR this is possibly the best way. It could even open the door to PR.

Back in the early 1990's I looked at the General Election results and combined the Green and Liberal vote together. Admittedly back then I think the Liberals were a slightly bigger political force and the Greens were on their way down from the highs of the 89 European Elections. However the combined figures were very impressive.

Today any 'progressive pact' is likely to bypass the Liberal Party and simply involve Labour, Lib-Dems, Greens, the SNP and possibly Plaid Cymru. Nevertheless there would have to make massive negotiations for this to happen, something I see as unlikely prior to 2020. But what would stop the Liberals working with candidates from other parties to build their own pact in local elections? I am sure there is common ground with some Green and Labour candidates and in Cornwall Mebyon Kernow.

It would be interesting to see how others feel, as it would not detract in any way from building the Liberal Party. In fact in these non-PR days additional dialogue and co-operation could see the party grow.

An Election Pact with the Whigs may have advantages at a General Election 
http://whigs.uk/

Alternatively, there is the National Liberal Party UK. I have no idea who they are.
http://nationalliberal.org/

The Greens are in bed with Labour. 
The Labour Party are idealistic Old Labour or Tory Blairites - not possible.

Jo Grimmond saved the Liberal Party for extinction - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mIAxZ48jM8
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With respect to the Greens I tend to agree very much with what RadicalLib wrote. They are too close to Labour. The Whigs are a definite possibility for co-operation. Actually the more I look at them the more I am thinking of leaving the Liberal Party and joining them. What I see of them fits far better with my idea of Liberalism than what I am seeing in the Liberal Party at the moment.

The National Liberal party gives me a slightly uncomfortable feeling. There is something about them that does not seem quite right though I cannot put my finger on it.
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#5
As someone that's very environmentally minded, I must admit, I'm torn between the Liberal Party and the Greens. My main concern with the Greens is they are often too green, tending criticise anyone that eats meat or has a passion for classic cars or motorcycles. As for being too close to Labour, I would tend to disagree, as they are not welded to 1970's socialist economics and offer more community based politics. Therefore I could actually see some sort of arrangement actually working. Likewise I could see an arrangement nationally with the Whigs or Mebyon Kernow in Cornwall working.

The National Liberal Party promote national liberalism as their ideology. Their founders have a history of far right involvement, however I would not consider them to be a far right party, and their founders definitely seem to have distanced themselves from the far right. However, having looked at their facebook page, their main focus seems to be opposition to radical Islam, Brexit and immigration - and not a focus on liberalism. Could the Liberal Party work with them? I think there would be difficulties and conflict on the issue of immigration and nationalism (as the NLP proclaim themselves as a nationalist party).
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I have a very good working relationship with the local Green Party, and we already have seen some deals being done for the June 2017 GE But these are going to be few and far between and will not really make a difference to what the final outcome is going to be.
This is a interesting read
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39748035
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